Discussion:
Pronunciation of common Linux-related words
Dusty Wilson
2007-03-31 23:18:33 UTC
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In an effort to not sound like a newbie when speaking verbally about
Linux-related terms, I would like to know how to properly pronounce
these words. I've been training a co-worker on server management and
have run into quite a few terms for which I didn't quite know the
proper pronunciation.

Also I think I know the correct way to say some of these but I really
want to make sure, so I'll put those in the list too.

named = name-dee
pxe = pixie
Debian = deb-ee-inn
bind = bind, bin-dee, or ?
lilo = lie-lo, lill-lo, lee-lo, or ?
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell (according to an old FAQ on MySQL's site)
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
FAQ = eff-ay-cue or fak
etc = et-see
usr = user
lib = lib or lieb (short vs long i)
proc = prock
init = inn-it
daemon = demon, day-mon, or ?
kde = kay-dee-ee
gnu = new, guh-new, or ?
gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
vi = vee-aye or vye
passwd = password or pass-w-dee
irc = i-r-c, irk, or ?

Thanks for your help! (...and I hope I don't inadvertently start a battle. :-)
Dusty
Karl Goetz
2007-04-01 00:33:30 UTC
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Dusty Wilson wrote:

Depending on your stance, this could even be about GNU/Linux ;) (just
speaking of 'correct').
Post by Dusty Wilson
In an effort to not sound like a newbie when speaking verbally about
Linux-related terms, I would like to know how to properly pronounce
these words. I've been training a co-worker on server management and
have run into quite a few terms for which I didn't quite know the
proper pronunciation.
Heres /my opinion/ in general.
Post by Dusty Wilson
Also I think I know the correct way to say some of these but I really
want to make sure, so I'll put those in the list too.
named = name-dee
pxe = pixie
Debian = deb-ee-inn
Deb-Ian (per debian.org)
Post by Dusty Wilson
bind = bind, bin-dee, or ?
i say bind
Post by Dusty Wilson
lilo = lie-lo, lill-lo, lee-lo, or ?
i say lie-lo
Post by Dusty Wilson
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
the former (because of how i say mysql ;))
Post by Dusty Wilson
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell (according to an old FAQ on MySQL's site)
then thats probably correct ;)
Post by Dusty Wilson
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
thats how i say it :)
Post by Dusty Wilson
FAQ = eff-ay-cue or fak
i use either
Post by Dusty Wilson
etc = et-see
etcetera
Post by Dusty Wilson
usr = user
lib = lib or lieb (short vs long i)
i use short i.
Post by Dusty Wilson
proc = prock
init = inn-it
daemon = demon, day-mon, or ?
i use day-mon
Post by Dusty Wilson
kde = kay-dee-ee
gnu = new, guh-new, or ?
guh-new (GNU ... is pronounced /guh-noo/, approximately like /canoe/."
from gnu.org)
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
to me, guh-nome
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vi = vee-aye or vye
vye
Post by Dusty Wilson
passwd = password or pass-w-dee
i say 'password', without the o or r. passw'd.
Post by Dusty Wilson
irc = i-r-c, irk, or ?
Thanks for your help! (...and I hope I don't inadvertently start a battle. :-)
you might :)
hope it helps.
kk
Post by Dusty Wilson
Dusty
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Ron Johnson
2007-04-01 01:43:13 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Karl Goetz
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnu = new, guh-new, or ?
guh-new (GNU ... is pronounced /guh-noo/, approximately like /canoe/."
from gnu.org)
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
to me, guh-nome
Rhymes with "duh" and sounds sooo.... ignorant sounding.

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Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
Karl Goetz
2007-04-01 02:04:16 UTC
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Post by Ron Johnson
[snip]
Post by Karl Goetz
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnu = new, guh-new, or ?
guh-new (GNU ... is pronounced /guh-noo/, approximately like /canoe/."
from gnu.org)
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
to me, guh-nome
Rhymes with "duh" and sounds sooo.... ignorant sounding.
Duh doesn't feature in my life, so i don't have to worry about that :)
kk
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Michael Pobega
2007-04-01 02:34:14 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Karl Goetz
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnu = new, guh-new, or ?
guh-new (GNU ... is pronounced /guh-noo/, approximately like /canoe/."
from gnu.org)
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
to me, guh-nome
Rhymes with "duh" and sounds sooo.... ignorant sounding.
I agree it sounds pretty stupid, I think G.N.U. would sound better
than Guhnoo. And GNOME is obviously smoother than Guhnome, but if
that's how the devs meant for it to be pronounced that is how I will
pronounce it.
Ron Johnson
2007-04-01 04:24:38 UTC
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Post by Michael Pobega
Post by Ron Johnson
[snip]
Post by Karl Goetz
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnu = new, guh-new, or ?
guh-new (GNU ... is pronounced /guh-noo/, approximately like /canoe/."
from gnu.org)
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
to me, guh-nome
Rhymes with "duh" and sounds sooo.... ignorant sounding.
I agree it sounds pretty stupid, I think G.N.U. would sound better
than Guhnoo. And GNOME is obviously smoother than Guhnome, but if
that's how the devs meant for it to be pronounced that is how I will
pronounce it.
Or we could fork GNOME and give the new project a better name.
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Jefferson LA USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
Douglas Allan Tutty
2007-04-01 12:09:30 UTC
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Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Michael Pobega
Post by Ron Johnson
Rhymes with "duh" and sounds sooo.... ignorant sounding.
I agree it sounds pretty stupid, I think G.N.U. would sound better
than Guhnoo. And GNOME is obviously smoother than Guhnome, but if
that's how the devs meant for it to be pronounced that is how I will
pronounce it.
Or we could fork GNOME and give the new project a better name.
Yeah, call it K.D.E. (duck, run, hide) :-))

Move from (G)NOME to Alaska?

Hobbit, Shire, Gollum?

Doug.
Andrew M.A. Cater
2007-04-01 01:38:06 UTC
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Post by Dusty Wilson
In an effort to not sound like a newbie when speaking verbally about
Linux-related terms, I would like to know how to properly pronounce
these words. I've been training a co-worker on server management and
have run into quite a few terms for which I didn't quite know the
proper pronunciation.
British English follows - some of this may also be uneducated and is to
be taken with a requisite number of :) and a light tone. I've also run
into the usual phonological/morphological problems of how to represent
English phonetically. I'm happily open to correction from those who
know :)
Post by Dusty Wilson
Also I think I know the correct way to say some of these but I really
want to make sure, so I'll put those in the list too.
named = name-dee
[Is correct as far as I know - name daemon - but
it's from the same stable as BIND (which see). ]
Post by Dusty Wilson
pxe = pixie [Fine by me]
Debian = deb-ee-inn [Deb-ee-un - think Deb (as in debutante) and
the last part of onion]
Post by Dusty Wilson
bind = bind, bin-dee, or ? [Going by how to pronounce the excellent
O'Reilly book DNS and BIND, I'd always say bined like pined and not
Bindi]
Post by Dusty Wilson
lilo = lie-lo, lill-lo, lee-lo, or ?
[Lie low (if you're English speaking) Lee low if you're Spanish /
Italian]
Post by Dusty Wilson
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel [Either's fine, though I personally
prefer ess-cue-ell since that's also consistent with MySQL. Sequel
seems to be a Microsoft preferred term]
Post by Dusty Wilson
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell (according to an old FAQ on MySQL's site)
[I'd agree, though I've a colleague who says My-sequel]
Post by Dusty Wilson
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
[Post-grace-cue-ell OR post-grr-rescue-ell both seem right]
Post by Dusty Wilson
FAQ = eff-ay-cue or fak [It's a Fack - since I've only ever said it.
Though I suppose you'd say "I read it in an Eff Eh Queue somewhere"
just as easily :) "Pronunciation of FAQ" into www.google.com yields
a very interesting thread from 1994 about this - it was obviously a
religious wars issue right from the start :( ]
Post by Dusty Wilson
etc = et-see
usr = user
lib = lib or lieb (short vs long i)
[Lib as in liberal not "libe" as in librarian or "leeb" as in liebchen]
Post by Dusty Wilson
proc = prock
init = inn-it
daemon = demon, day-mon, or ? [Dee-mon - The Concise OED has it as a
variant of demon. Pandaemonium is strictly pan-day-monium but I don't
know many people who don't elide it as pan-demo-knee-um (and therefore
missspell it as pandemonium)]
Post by Dusty Wilson
kde = kay-dee-ee
gnu = new, guh-new, or ? [Guh-noo - which is probably the same
way I'd pronounce the animal. (Though this separated pronunciation
was apparently only popularised in the 1950's in a very popular
humourous song in British English by Flanders and Swann
"I'm a G-nu, how do you do, the G-nicest work of G-nature in the zoo"
- and the Concise OED still calls it a noo :) ]
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
[I say Nome, but have read somewhere thatit's pronounced Guh-nome
by the project on purpose to be different/difficult :) ]
Post by Dusty Wilson
vi = vee-aye or vye [Vie if I'm talking, vee-eye if I'm being correct]
passwd = [pass would (Where pass has a very short northern English
A sound and rhymes with lass and would is like a very short could)]
Post by Dusty Wilson
irc = i-r-c, irk, or ? [Eye - Arse - Sea with the last two run
together]
Post by Dusty Wilson
Thanks for your help! (...and I hope I don't inadvertently start a battle. :-)
Dusty
Andy
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Douglas Allan Tutty
2007-04-01 02:11:21 UTC
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Canadian (7th generation, North Atlantic [St. Mary's, West Irish,
Highland Scott] descent) southern Ontario dialect follows.
Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Dusty Wilson
daemon = demon, day-mon, or ? [Dee-mon - The Concise OED has it as a
variant of demon. Pandaemonium is strictly pan-day-monium but I don't
know many people who don't elide it as pan-demo-knee-um (and therefore
missspell it as pandemonium)]
When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Dusty Wilson
irc = i-r-c, irk, or ? [Eye - Arse - Sea with the last two run
together]
Interesting imagery :)

Doug.
cga2000
2007-04-01 04:35:53 UTC
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Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
Canadian (7th generation, North Atlantic [St. Mary's, West Irish,
Highland Scott] descent) southern Ontario dialect follows.
Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Dusty Wilson
daemon = demon, day-mon, or ? [Dee-mon - The Concise OED has it as a
variant of demon. Pandaemonium is strictly pan-day-monium but I don't
know many people who don't elide it as pan-demo-knee-um (and therefore
missspell it as pandemonium)]
When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Dusty Wilson
irc = i-r-c, irk, or ? [Eye - Arse - Sea with the last two run
together]
Interesting imagery :)
Doug.
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Ron Johnson
2007-04-01 04:25:45 UTC
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On 03/31/07 23:35, cga2000 wrote:
[snip]
Post by cga2000
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
lawn-guy-land?

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Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
Kent West
2007-04-01 04:35:03 UTC
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Post by Ron Johnson
[snip]
Post by cga2000
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
lawn-guy-land?
Long Island.

But my question ...

Is / pronounced "root" or "slash", as in "Is the file in slash-root-bin
or just slash-bin?"
--
Kent
Ron Johnson
2007-04-01 04:41:52 UTC
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Post by Kent West
Post by Ron Johnson
[snip]
Post by cga2000
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
lawn-guy-land?
Long Island.
But my question ...
Is / pronounced "root" or "slash", as in "Is the file in slash-root-bin
or just slash-bin?"
slash-bin

Thus have I spoken, thus shall it be.

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Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
Karl Goetz
2007-04-01 04:56:08 UTC
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Post by cga2000
Post by Kent West
Post by Ron Johnson
[snip]
Post by cga2000
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the
ugliest
Post by Kent West
Post by Ron Johnson
Post by cga2000
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
lawn-guy-land?
Long Island.
But my question ...
Is / pronounced "root" or "slash", as in "Is the file in slash-root-bin
or just slash-bin?"
i say 'root' to describe the top of the file system, but slash-dir for
paths.
Post by cga2000
slash-bin
Thus have I spoken, thus shall it be.
lol
kk
Post by cga2000
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Andrew M.A. Cater
2007-04-01 10:50:44 UTC
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Post by Kent West
Post by Ron Johnson
[snip]
Post by cga2000
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
lawn-guy-land?
Long Island.
But my question ...
Is / pronounced "root" or "slash", as in "Is the file in slash-root-bin
or just slash-bin?"
Both - and neither :) It depends on context, ability and experience.

I do some telephone support with a friend who's dyslexic and is a
radio amateur. For him,I have to remember to spell out commands
phonetically - "cat - Charlie Alpha Tango - forward slash etc - Echo
Tango Charlie - forward slash apt Alpha Papa Tango - forward slash
sources.list Sierra Oscar ... " and to tell him to press the
enter/return key at the end of the command. He's very able indeed - but
using a keyboard puts him at a tremendous disadvantage and he is often
unable to read me back precisely what he has typed which means that we
often have to repeat the process two or three times.

Similarly, if I'm sitting with work colleagues and need to tell them
what to do, I'll say "go to root and work forwards from there - cd space
slash and hit return, now type pwd and tell me what prompt you see ... "

Among my relatively few colleagues who know what they're about and
amongst ourselves, slash becomes largely irrelevant - "I grepped for it
in bin, sbin and user sbin but I couldn't find it - then I realised the
*** thing was commercial software and had compiled/built/installed in
opt. Why can't they just build it in usr local?"

Andy
Post by Kent West
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Michael Pobega
2007-04-01 12:04:38 UTC
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Post by Kent West
Post by Ron Johnson
[snip]
Post by cga2000
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
lawn-guy-land?
Long Island.
But my question ...
Is / pronounced "root" or "slash", as in "Is the file in slash-root-bin
or just slash-bin?"
It's root. Just like /home is home. But /root would be "root's home".

It just makes all things simpler when talking about partitions and
stuff in real time conversation.
Douglas Allan Tutty
2007-04-01 12:26:21 UTC
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Post by cga2000
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
Who's the lawn-guy?

I wasn't suggesting to exaggerate the dipthong but to use it.
I don't say daaayamon.

I don't have a dictionary that gives the history of a word with me.
What is the origin of the 'ae' in daemon? It was origionally from greek
mythology but I neither read nor speak ancient greek.

Doug.
cga2000
2007-04-01 16:28:59 UTC
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Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
Post by cga2000
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
Not true. Try the lawn-guy-land accent for instance .. has the ugliest
and most exaggerated diphthongs of any English dialect I have heard.
Who's the lawn-guy?
It's a what .. not a who.

Long Island, State of New York.

About 20 miles East of the city.
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
I wasn't suggesting to exaggerate the dipthong but to use it.
I don't say daaayamon.
I guess you were referring to a New York City accent like in the old
gangster movies? Like Jimmy Cagney, maybe?

But then in Brooklyn only a mile away from the lower East Side, the
folks there typically replace the long /e/ vowel in "bird" by a
diphthong that sounds something like a mix between an /oi/ (as in "boy")
and an /uh-i/ (as in "like" in some Canadian accents)
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
I don't have a dictionary that gives the history of a word with me.
of course you do:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/demon

Has the etymology .. and the recorded pronunciation ..

click on the little red speakers.
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
What is the origin of the 'ae' in daemon? It was origionally from greek
mythology but I neither read nor speak ancient greek.
Doug.
No idea ..

A possibility is there that may have been a collision at some point
between "demon" which came from the germanic side of the family and
"daemon" that came from the "latin" side.. ?? The etymological notes
vaguely suggest that.

Anyway, according to Mrs. Merriam-Webster's rendering both are
pronounced the same.

Thanks,
cga
Max Hyre
2007-04-02 11:00:06 UTC
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Post by cga2000
About 20 miles East of the city.
Well, more like zero (Queens and Brooklyn are part of both the city
and the Island, unless you're talking like the locals, to whom The City
is Manhattan, and the rest is referred to by borough name) to 120 miles
east. There's a reason they call it _Long_ Island. :-)
Post by cga2000
I guess you were referring to a New York City accent like in the old
gangster movies? Like Jimmy Cagney, maybe?
It ain't just the old movies---that accent is alive and well and
living in Queens. How Queens and Brooklyn accents can be so different
(they're adjacent on the Island) is beyond me.
--
Best wishes,

Max Hyre (from New Haven, Connecticut, where The City
is indeed Manhattan)
Michael Pobega
2007-04-02 16:13:11 UTC
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Post by Max Hyre
Post by cga2000
About 20 miles East of the city.
Well, more like zero (Queens and Brooklyn are part of both the city
and the Island, unless you're talking like the locals, to whom The City
is Manhattan, and the rest is referred to by borough name) to 120 miles
east. There's a reason they call it _Long_ Island. :-)
Post by cga2000
I guess you were referring to a New York City accent like in the old
gangster movies? Like Jimmy Cagney, maybe?
It ain't just the old movies---that accent is alive and well and
living in Queens. How Queens and Brooklyn accents can be so different
(they're adjacent on the Island) is beyond me.
I grew up in Brooklyn, and I have to say that New York, for such a
small state, has the largest diversity in accents I've ever heard.

Brooklyn, Long Island, Staten Island, Queens, Bronx, and more; Even
upstate New York has it's own set of accents!
Joe Hart
2007-04-02 16:51:07 UTC
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Post by Michael Pobega
Post by Max Hyre
Post by cga2000
About 20 miles East of the city.
Well, more like zero (Queens and Brooklyn are part of both the city
and the Island, unless you're talking like the locals, to whom The City
is Manhattan, and the rest is referred to by borough name) to 120 miles
east. There's a reason they call it _Long_ Island. :-)
Post by cga2000
I guess you were referring to a New York City accent like in the old
gangster movies? Like Jimmy Cagney, maybe?
It ain't just the old movies---that accent is alive and well and
living in Queens. How Queens and Brooklyn accents can be so different
(they're adjacent on the Island) is beyond me.
I grew up in Brooklyn, and I have to say that New York, for such a
small state, has the largest diversity in accents I've ever heard.
Brooklyn, Long Island, Staten Island, Queens, Bronx, and more; Even
upstate New York has it's own set of accents!
You should see what Dutch is like here. Talk about diversity. The
Netherlands is a very small country, yet there are 2 official languages
(Dutch and Fries) and at least 50 different dialects. Someone from the
North of the country cannot understand someone from the middle, or vice
versa. Most dialects even have their own spelling.

For example.

Het Kanaal = The Canal in regualar Dutch
't Knoal = The Canal in Gronings

They sound very different.

Luckily, television has brought some commonality, so most everyone can
understand normal Dutch, but the news frequently has to use subtitles
so the rest of the country can understand what some being interviewed is
saying.

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Max Hyre
2007-04-02 15:09:28 UTC
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For those interested, a summary...

How I counted:
single opinion rendered +1
multiple pronunciations
offered or commended
by single poster +1 for each

Notes:
Intent of this count is to be descriptive (as she is
spoken) rather than prescriptive (I say so, so do it
my way)
All are English (American, British, whatever)
pronunciation; offers from other languages
cheerfully ignored :-)
Poster's opinion only; offers of opinions of others,
likewise ignored
Confusing offers---ignored
Close variants combined; e.g. `gnu': guh-noo and
guh-new taken to be the same.

* officially sanctioned

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named
name-dee 3
named (as in appellation)
pxe
pixie 3
pea-ecks-ee
Debian
deb-ee-inn (same as
Deb-Ian) * 3
bind
bind 3
bin-dee

lilo
lie-lo 3
lill-lo
lee-lo 1
SQL
ess-cue-ell 3
sequel 3
squirrel 1
MySQL
My-S-Q-L * 3
My-sequel 2
My-squirrel 1
PostgreSQL
post-gress-Q-L * 5
post-gress 1
post-grey-squirrel 1
FAQ
eff-ay-cue 2
fak 2
etc
et-see 2
etcetera 1
usr
user 2
lib
lib (short i) 3
lieb (long i) 1
leeb
proc
prock 2
init
inn-it 2
daemon
demon 1
day-mon 5
kde
kay-dee-ee 2
gnu
new
guh-new * 3
gnome
nome 1
guh-nome 2
to me, guh-nome
vi
vee-aye 4
vye 2
passwd
password
pass-w-dee 2
pass-wood 2
irc
i-r-c 3
irk
vim
vee-aye-em
vim 2
chroot
see-aitch-root 1
chuh-root 3
change root (the words) 1
chown
chown (one syllable) 1
shown
chmod
shuh-mod 1
/bin
slash-bin 1
bin 1
/ (when used by itself)
root 2
cga2000
2007-04-02 23:31:30 UTC
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Post by Max Hyre
Post by cga2000
About 20 miles East of the city.
Well, more like zero (Queens and Brooklyn are part of both the city
and the Island, unless you're talking like the locals, to whom The City
is Manhattan, and the rest is referred to by borough name) to 120 miles
east. There's a reason they call it _Long_ Island. :-)
I was more thinking of where I'm at.. Western Suffolk ..

On the other hand Queens & Kings -- aka Brooklyn, belong to that five
boroughs entity .. and from and administrative standpoint Long Island
is limited to Nassay & Suffolk.

So although the _Island_ itself is less than a mile east of Manhattan,
what's usually regarded as long Island starts .. what .. maybe ten miles
further east..?
Post by Max Hyre
Post by cga2000
I guess you were referring to a New York City accent like in the old
gangster movies? Like Jimmy Cagney, maybe?
It ain't just the old movies---
I said old because those black and white movies spoke a very different
brand of English than the ones they began making in the 70's with all
those eye-talian types ..
Post by Max Hyre
that accent is alive and well and living in Queens. How Queens and
Brooklyn accents can be so different (they're adjacent on the Island)
is beyond me.
I think one difference is that Brooklyn was an independent city for many
years before becoming part of the five boroughs and so it had its own
identity, town hall .. etc. quite separate from NYC .. whereas Queens
was only just a collection of suburbs from the start.

Don't know if this has anything to do with Brooklyn-ese being so
different, though.
Post by Max Hyre
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Andrew M.A. Cater
2007-04-01 11:28:51 UTC
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Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
Canadian (7th generation, North Atlantic [St. Mary's, West Irish,
Highland Scott] descent) southern Ontario dialect follows.
Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Dusty Wilson
daemon = demon, day-mon, or ? [Dee-mon - The Concise OED has it as a
variant of demon. Pandaemonium is strictly pan-day-monium but I don't
know many people who don't elide it as pan-demo-knee-um (and therefore
missspell it as pandemonium)]
When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
Depends: I normally pronounce day (I think) as De (as in De profundis)
rather than Dei (As in Agnus Dei) unless I'm saying a "day's work"

I'd also say requiem aeternam [requiem ayternam] unless I'm being really
precise in singing in which I might say ay-ee-ternam. I've a friend
who's a linguistics professional who knows this much better than I do
- he points out that each person builds their own language pattern or
idiolect.
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Dusty Wilson
irc = i-r-c, irk, or ? [Eye - Arse - Sea with the last two run
together]
Interesting imagery :)
Doug.
Andy
Douglas Allan Tutty
2007-04-01 12:49:50 UTC
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Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
Canadian (7th generation, North Atlantic [St. Mary's, West Irish,
Highland Scott] descent) southern Ontario dialect follows.
When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
Depends: I normally pronounce day (I think) as De (as in De profundis)
rather than Dei (As in Agnus Dei) unless I'm saying a "day's work"
I'd also say requiem aeternam [requiem ayternam] unless I'm being really
precise in singing in which I might say ay-ee-ternam. I've a friend
who's a linguistics professional who knows this much better than I do
- he points out that each person builds their own language pattern or
idiolect.
OK, perhaps I should add to my dialect description at the top:

My first words were Cum-By-Ya (I sang for 6 weeks before I talked,
apparently). I grew up singing in church choirs. So I guess I say
daemon the same way you sing aeternam.

This is sort of like reading an introductary latin book. They tell you
to say a given latin word so it sounds like a given english word. Big
help there. Such books are a great veehickle to gettin an eduucaton. :)

Doug.
Max Hyre
2007-04-02 10:35:50 UTC
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Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
My first words were Cum-By-Ya
Well, you just got blocked by millions of spam filters right there.
:-) I've always sung ``coom-by-ya''.

And then again---my spell checker objected to `coom'; its first
option was `cum'. Go figure. (Or, as my daughter says, go think.)
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Douglas Allan Tutty
2007-04-03 00:43:20 UTC
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Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
My first words were Cum-By-Ya
Well, you just got blocked by millions of spam filters right there.
:-) I've always sung ``coom-by-ya''.
And then again---my spell checker objected to `coom'; its first
option was `cum'. Go figure. (Or, as my daughter says, go think.)
I guess its the latin sneaking in again. I say coom, but I spell cum.

Rather than 'go figure', what about 'coompuut'?

Procedo Cogito.

Doug.

Kent West
2007-04-01 13:34:22 UTC
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Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
he points out that each person builds their own language pattern or
idiolect.
What'd'ju just call me?!! Them thar's fightin' words, Buddy! ;-)
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cga2000
2007-04-01 16:37:30 UTC
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Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
Canadian (7th generation, North Atlantic [St. Mary's, West Irish,
Highland Scott] descent) southern Ontario dialect follows.
Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Post by Dusty Wilson
daemon = demon, day-mon, or ? [Dee-mon - The Concise OED has it as a
variant of demon. Pandaemonium is strictly pan-day-monium but I don't
know many people who don't elide it as pan-demo-knee-um (and therefore
missspell it as pandemonium)]
When you say "have a nice day", do you pronounce the 'y' at all? Is it
Daaaa, or Daaaai? Dipthongs are there for a reason; they differentiate
words when spoken verbally (try listening to someone from New York
speak, no dipthongs). I say Daaaimon.
Depends: I normally pronounce day (I think) as De (as in De profundis)
rather than Dei (As in Agnus Dei) unless I'm saying a "day's work"
I'd also say requiem aeternam [requiem ayternam] unless I'm being really
precise in singing in which I might say ay-ee-ternam. I've a friend
who's a linguistics professional who knows this much better than I do
- he points out that each person builds their own language pattern or
idiolect.
Hopefully some UNIX aethnologist (or would that be ethnologist?) will
stick a mike in the face of the old meisters and record their idiolects
while there's still time.

Thanks,
cga
Douglas Allan Tutty
2007-04-01 19:18:19 UTC
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Post by cga2000
Hopefully some UNIX aethnologist (or would that be ethnologist?) will
stick a mike in the face of the old meisters and record their idiolects
while there's still time.
Ethnologist, that's the word I was looking for. All I could think of
was Entimologist so I didn't use it, which would refer to Debian
Debuggers. :)

Doug.
cga2000
2007-04-01 21:07:08 UTC
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Post by Douglas Allan Tutty
Post by cga2000
Hopefully some UNIX aethnologist (or would that be ethnologist?) will
stick a mike in the face of the old meisters and record their idiolects
while there's still time.
Ethnologist, that's the word I was looking for. All I could think of
was Entimologist so I didn't use it, which would refer to Debian
Debuggers. :)
It's entomologist .. but a good one all the same.

;-O

Thanks,
cga
Roberto C. Sánchez
2007-04-01 02:39:03 UTC
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Post by Dusty Wilson
named = name-dee
same.
Post by Dusty Wilson
pxe = pixie
same.
Post by Dusty Wilson
Debian = deb-ee-inn
Debian is a portmanteau of Deb and Ian (Ian Murdock founded the Debian
project and Debra was his girlfriend, now wife). So, Deb-Ian would be
correct.
Post by Dusty Wilson
bind = bind, bin-dee, or ?
bind.
Post by Dusty Wilson
lilo = lie-lo, lill-lo, lee-lo, or ?
First or third. Never heard the second.
Post by Dusty Wilson
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
Sequel. SQL was actually a successor to Prequel. So, I think the
Sequel pronunciation is what the original developers intended.
Post by Dusty Wilson
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell (according to an old FAQ on MySQL's site)
Hmm, I usually pronounce it My-sequel.
Post by Dusty Wilson
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
This one I usually pronounce as you have it listed.
Post by Dusty Wilson
FAQ = eff-ay-cue or fak
the first
Post by Dusty Wilson
etc = et-see
same.
Post by Dusty Wilson
usr = user
same. This is one and etc are the source of some confusion when I am
talking a newbie through something and I say "go to user bin blah".
Post by Dusty Wilson
lib = lib or lieb (short vs long i)
short.
Post by Dusty Wilson
proc = prock
same.
Post by Dusty Wilson
init = inn-it
same.
Post by Dusty Wilson
daemon = demon, day-mon, or ?
the second.
Post by Dusty Wilson
kde = kay-dee-ee
same.
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnu = new, guh-new, or ?
second.
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnome = nome, guh-nome, or ?
second.
Post by Dusty Wilson
vi = vee-aye or vye
first.
Post by Dusty Wilson
passwd = password or pass-w-dee
second.
Post by Dusty Wilson
irc = i-r-c, irk, or ?
first.
Post by Dusty Wilson
Thanks for your help! (...and I hope I don't inadvertently start a battle. :-)
Well, I think I have been the lightning rod lately. But many people have
killfiled me, so I would be happy to hand off the torch, so to speak.
:-)

Regards,

-Roberto
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2007-04-01 03:48:12 UTC
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lilo = lie-lo, lill-lo, lee-lo, or ?
First or third. Never heard the second.
Well, if you use the third, do you need to include Stitch?
Post by Roberto C. Sánchez
Post by Dusty Wilson
vi = vee-aye or vye
first.
How about vim, then? vee-aye-emm or vim (as in "full of vim and vigour")?

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2007-04-01 04:13:37 UTC
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Post by Jim Hyslop
Post by Roberto C. Sánchez
Post by Dusty Wilson
lilo = lie-lo, lill-lo, lee-lo, or ?
First or third. Never heard the second.
Well, if you use the third, do you need to include Stitch?
:-)
Post by Jim Hyslop
Post by Roberto C. Sánchez
Post by Dusty Wilson
vi = vee-aye or vye
first.
How about vim, then? vee-aye-emm or vim (as in "full of vim and vigour")?
vee-aye for vi and "vim" for vim.

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2007-04-01 04:27:30 UTC
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SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
Sequel. SQL was actually a successor to Prequel. So, I think the
Not true. SQL succeeded SEQUEL.

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2007-04-01 04:30:36 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Roberto C. Sánchez
Post by Dusty Wilson
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
Sequel. SQL was actually a successor to Prequel. So, I think the
Not true. SQL succeeded SEQUEL.
Right. I confused Ingres/Postgres with Prequel/Sequel.

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Michael Pobega
2007-04-01 12:06:23 UTC
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etc = et-see
same.
Isn't etc just short for etcetera? So wouldn't etcetera be the proper
pronunciation?
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2007-04-01 12:29:31 UTC
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Isn't etc just short for etcetera? So wouldn't etcetera be the proper
pronunciation?
yes, it is. i'm not a native speaker, but if i recall correctly, they
have always taught us to pronouce 'etc' as 'and so on', so we didn't use
the original latin words (the same applies to 'e.g.' or 'i.e.').
however, i must admit that 'and so on' sounds like a ridiculous name for
a directory :)

by the way, i would add one more word to the list. how would one
pronounce 'chroot'? like see-age-root?

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Douglas Allan Tutty
2007-04-01 13:11:23 UTC
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Post by Lubos Vrbka
by the way, i would add one more word to the list. how would one
pronounce 'chroot'? like see-age-root?
I've never talked with someone who knows unix, so I speak it like I read
it. I would call it cherroot. Like the tiny cigars.

Doug.
Brad Rogers
2007-04-01 12:38:41 UTC
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Lubos Vrbka <***@vrbka.net> wrote:

Hello Lubos,
Post by Lubos Vrbka
by the way, i would add one more word to the list. how would one
pronounce 'chroot'? like see-age-root?
I tend to say cheroot, with the hard "ch" sound (like in cherry, for
example).
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2007-04-01 16:13:38 UTC
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Post by Brad Rogers
On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:29:31 +0200
Hello Lubos,
Post by Lubos Vrbka
by the way, i would add one more word to the list. how would one
pronounce 'chroot'? like see-age-root?
I tend to say cheroot, with the hard "ch" sound (like in cherry, for
example).
And I just verbalize "change root", "change mod", etc...

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dave
2007-04-01 21:59:19 UTC
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Post by Brad Rogers
I tend to say cheroot, with the hard "ch" sound (like in cherry, for
Post by Brad Rogers
example).
I say "shroot"
Post by Brad Rogers
And I just verbalize "change root", "change mod", etc...
Same here...

Ciao,

Dave
Dusty Wilson
2007-04-01 22:06:42 UTC
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Post by dave
Post by Brad Rogers
I tend to say cheroot, with the hard "ch" sound (like in cherry, for
Post by Brad Rogers
example).
I say "shroot"
Okay, what about "chown" and "chmod"? I don't imagine a person says
"shown" and "shmod" but maybe they do? How do you guys say those?
Nyizsnyik Ferenc
2007-04-02 15:59:56 UTC
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:06:42 -0700
Post by Dusty Wilson
Post by dave
Post by Brad Rogers
I tend to say cheroot, with the hard "ch" sound (like in cherry, for
Post by Brad Rogers
example).
I say "shroot"
Okay, what about "chown" and "chmod"? I don't imagine a person says
"shown" and "shmod" but maybe they do? How do you guys say those?
This may be a bit off-topic, but everyone else told how they say these
words in their dialect, so here goes the Hungarian pronounciation!

SQL Ash-Coo-Ell
etc Eh-Tay-Tsay
usr Oo-Ash-Err
chmod Tsay-Ha-Mod
Debian Deb-ee-Ah-n (short ee and long ah)
GNU Gh-noo

We actually know how to pronounce them correcrlty (or at least I
thought so before reading this thread), but they are inconvenient to
use for us.
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2007-04-01 10:37:01 UTC
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PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring the
'SQL' part at the end).

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Ron Johnson
2007-04-01 16:19:07 UTC
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Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Dusty Wilson
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring the
'SQL' part at the end).
And that's wrong.

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ.html#item1.1

PostgreSQL is pronounced Post-Gres-Q-L, and is also
sometimes referred to as just Postgres. An audio file
is available in MP3 format[0] for those would like to
hear the pronunciation.

Search thru the postgresql-general list archives and the firm stance
of the developers is "Post-Gres-Q-L", as is the mp3 file.

[0]http://www.postgresql.org/files/postgresql.mp3

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Dave Ewart
2007-04-01 18:28:11 UTC
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Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Dusty Wilson
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring
the 'SQL' part at the end).
And that's wrong.
Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being "wrong", when there's a
subjective way of pronouncing words!

Besides, this is an abbreviation; yet a common enough one that the
original poster would probably be interested in hearing about.

"post-gress" is a pretty reasonable abbreviation for
"post-gress-cue-ell". Just as "win-ex-pee" for "Microsoft Windows XP"
or "Debian" for "Debian GNU/Linux" etc. They don't claim to the the
full, complete and totally accurate description, but the original poster
was asking about how they were typically pronounced. Typically, people
will use abbreviations.

Even though there may be a 'preferred' way of saying it (as per the
developers link you sent), that doesn't mean that someone who pronounces
it differently is *wrong*.

I *write* it PostgreSQL, but *say* it "post-gress" because
"post-gress-cue-ell" just *sounds* insane. It's one of those words that
looks good written, but doesn't sound good spoken. Everyone knows what
we mean when we say "post-gress".

This is the most common pronounciation I've heard: perhaps it's a UK
thing. Apart from a seminar I attended with a non-UK speaker, I've
never heard it *said* "post-gress-cue-ell" at all.

And...

In any case, PostgreSQL did *used* to be called simply "postgres" (as in
"post-ingres" I think) before it's name was modified at some later
stage.

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Ron Johnson
2007-04-01 21:12:45 UTC
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Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Dusty Wilson
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring
the 'SQL' part at the end).
And that's wrong.
Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being "wrong", when there's a
subjective way of pronouncing words!
You can call it /Stinking pile of manure/ if you want, but that's
*not* the correct way to pronounce PostgreSQL.

http://lwn.net/2001/features/Momjian/

CL: First of all, how do you pronounce PostgreSQL?

BM: It's called Post-gres-cue-el (not Postgre-es-cue-el).
It's a very unusual name. It's very hard to pronounce. Somebody
described it as anti-marketing in a sense that it's so confusing
that people maybe don't even want to say it :-)

The original database software was called Postgres. When SQL
was added to it and its development was taken onto the Internet,
we added SQL at the end of the name. It looks like Postgreee
plus something at the end, it does confuse people. I really do
apologize for that :-)
Post by Dave Ewart
Besides, this is an abbreviation; yet a common enough one that the
original poster would probably be interested in hearing about.
"post-gress" is a pretty reasonable abbreviation for
"post-gress-cue-ell". Just as "win-ex-pee" for "Microsoft Windows XP"
or "Debian" for "Debian GNU/Linux" etc. They don't claim to the the
full, complete and totally accurate description, but the original poster
was asking about how they were typically pronounced. Typically, people
will use abbreviations.
Even though there may be a 'preferred' way of saying it (as per the
developers link you sent), that doesn't mean that someone who pronounces
it differently is *wrong*.
I *write* it PostgreSQL, but *say* it "post-gress" because
"post-gress-cue-ell" just *sounds* insane. It's one of those words that
looks good written, but doesn't sound good spoken. Everyone knows what
we mean when we say "post-gress".
This is the most common pronounciation I've heard: perhaps it's a UK
thing. Apart from a seminar I attended with a non-UK speaker, I've
never heard it *said* "post-gress-cue-ell" at all.
And...
In any case, PostgreSQL did *used* to be called simply "postgres" (as in
"post-ingres" I think) before it's name was modified at some later
stage.
Dave.
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Dave Ewart
2007-04-02 08:19:28 UTC
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Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring
the 'SQL' part at the end).
And that's wrong.
Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being "wrong", when there's a
subjective way of pronouncing words!
You can call it /Stinking pile of manure/ if you want, but that's
*not* the correct way to pronounce PostgreSQL.
Ron, you don't get it do you?

The original poster wanted to know the way most people said common
Unix/Linux words.

PostgreSQL *is* pronounced "post-gress-ceu-ell" as you keep insisting
(and with which I am *NOT* disagreeing): however, my point was that
many, many, many people call is "post-gress", which is an widely-used
accepted abbreviation.

Should we call you Ronald?

Should I insist people call me David?

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2007-04-02 13:34:53 UTC
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Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring
the 'SQL' part at the end).
And that's wrong.
Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being "wrong", when there's a
subjective way of pronouncing words!
You can call it /Stinking pile of manure/ if you want, but that's
*not* the correct way to pronounce PostgreSQL.
Ron, you don't get it do you?
The original poster wanted to know the way most people said common
Unix/Linux words.
PostgreSQL *is* pronounced "post-gress-ceu-ell" as you keep insisting
(and with which I am *NOT* disagreeing): however, my point was that
many, many, many people call is "post-gress", which is an widely-used
accepted abbreviation.
Accepted by people who don't know better.

Hopefully when they *do* know better they'll pronounce it correctly.
Post by Dave Ewart
Should we call you Ronald?
You can. No problem! It is, after all, my name.

Ron, Ronnie & Ronny are acceptable derivatives.
Post by Dave Ewart
Should I insist people call me David?
If you want. Some people do. For example: I know a guy named
Andre' who's parents nicknamed him Andy at a young age. I met him
when he was grown, married and had a "junior" they called, to avoid
namespace collision, Andre'.

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CaT
2007-04-02 13:45:23 UTC
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Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring
the 'SQL' part at the end).
And that's wrong.
Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being "wrong", when there's a
subjective way of pronouncing words!
You can call it /Stinking pile of manure/ if you want, but that's
*not* the correct way to pronounce PostgreSQL.
Ron, you don't get it do you?
The original poster wanted to know the way most people said common
Unix/Linux words.
PostgreSQL *is* pronounced "post-gress-ceu-ell" as you keep insisting
(and with which I am *NOT* disagreeing): however, my point was that
many, many, many people call is "post-gress", which is an widely-used
accepted abbreviation.
Accepted by people who don't know better.
Hopefully when they *do* know better they'll pronounce it correctly.
General Questions

1.1) What is PostgreSQL? How is it pronounced?

PostgreSQL is pronounced Post-Gres-Q-L, and is also sometimes referred
to as just Postgres. An audio file is available in MP3
format for those would like to hear the pronunciation.
...
- http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ.html#item1.1

It would appear to me that the very people in charge of PostgreSQL are
far less anal and insulting about it then you are.
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Ron Johnson
2007-04-02 15:27:26 UTC
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Post by Dave Ewart
Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring
the 'SQL' part at the end).
And that's wrong.
Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being "wrong", when there's a
subjective way of pronouncing words!
You can call it /Stinking pile of manure/ if you want, but that's
*not* the correct way to pronounce PostgreSQL.
Ron, you don't get it do you?
The original poster wanted to know the way most people said common
Unix/Linux words.
PostgreSQL *is* pronounced "post-gress-ceu-ell" as you keep insisting
(and with which I am *NOT* disagreeing): however, my point was that
many, many, many people call is "post-gress", which is an widely-used
accepted abbreviation.
Accepted by people who don't know better.
Hopefully when they *do* know better they'll pronounce it correctly.
General Questions
1.1) What is PostgreSQL? How is it pronounced?
PostgreSQL is pronounced Post-Gres-Q-L, and is also sometimes referred
to as just Postgres. An audio file is available in MP3
format for those would like to hear the pronunciation.
...
- http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ.html#item1.1
It would appear to me that the very people in charge of PostgreSQL are
far less anal and insulting about it then you are.
I truly apologize if it seems that I am getting angry, because I'm
not even getting aggravated about this, much less angry.

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Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
Dave Ewart
2007-04-02 18:01:29 UTC
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Post by CaT
Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
The original poster wanted to know the way most people said common
Unix/Linux words.
PostgreSQL *is* pronounced "post-gress-ceu-ell" as you keep
insisting (and with which I am *NOT* disagreeing): however, my
point was that many, many, many people call is "post-gress", which
is an widely-used accepted abbreviation.
Accepted by people who don't know better.
Hopefully when they *do* know better they'll pronounce it
correctly.
General Questions
1.1) What is PostgreSQL? How is it pronounced?
PostgreSQL is pronounced Post-Gres-Q-L, and is also sometimes
referred to as just Postgres. An audio file is available in MP3
format for those would like to hear the pronunciation. ... -
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs.FAQ.html#item1.1
It would appear to me that the very people in charge of PostgreSQL
are far less anal and insulting about it then you are.
(Thanks CaT for that moment of sanity!)
I truly apologize if it seems that I am getting angry, because I'm not
even getting aggravated about this, much less angry.
Ron,

In that case, you *really* need to work on the way you come across
on-list. A series of remarks such as "And that's wrong.", "Accepted by
people who don't know better" and "When they do know better..." come
across as insulting. If that's not how you really feel about it, then
you have to accept that you have a problem correctly presenting your
feelings on-list; or, rather, that you have a problem whereby you come
across more aggressively than you intend.

You make a large number valuable technical contributions to this list,
which is excellent: this is the first time you've come across in this
manner (to me, at least), which was unexpected.

Back on thread...

"... and is also sometimes referred to as just Postgres" was exactly
what I'm getting at.

Ron: can I politely suggest that unless you're prepared to make a
contribution other than "You're all wrong, it's pronounced <however> and
anyone who says something else doesn't know better" (in which case
you've completely misunderstood the purpose of this thread) then you
should refrain from following-up on this thread any more.

Thanks,

Dave.
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Joe Hart
2007-04-02 14:27:38 UTC
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Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Post by Ron Johnson
Post by Dave Ewart
Most people I know pronounce this "post-gress" (dropping/ignoring
the 'SQL' part at the end).
And that's wrong.
Steady, Ron: don't accuse people of being "wrong", when there's a
subjective way of pronouncing words!
You can call it /Stinking pile of manure/ if you want, but that's
*not* the correct way to pronounce PostgreSQL.
Ron, you don't get it do you?
The original poster wanted to know the way most people said common
Unix/Linux words.
PostgreSQL *is* pronounced "post-gress-ceu-ell" as you keep insisting
(and with which I am *NOT* disagreeing): however, my point was that
many, many, many people call is "post-gress", which is an widely-used
accepted abbreviation.
Accepted by people who don't know better.
Hopefully when they *do* know better they'll pronounce it correctly.
Post by Dave Ewart
Should we call you Ronald?
You can. No problem! It is, after all, my name.
Ron, Ronnie & Ronny are acceptable derivatives.
Post by Dave Ewart
Should I insist people call me David?
If you want. Some people do. For example: I know a guy named
Andre' who's parents nicknamed him Andy at a young age. I met him
when he was grown, married and had a "junior" they called, to avoid
namespace collision, Andre'.
While we have nothing better to do...

I knew a kid in school named John. When I ran into him years later and
said, "John, wow, haven't seen you in a long time."

He replied, "My name is Scott." It appears that he changed to using his
middle name during his college years. He had the nerve to be angry at
me for not knowing that, even though I had not seen him in more than 10
years.

Joe
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Sven Arvidsson
2007-04-01 11:42:31 UTC
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Post by Dusty Wilson
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell (according to an old FAQ on MySQL's site)
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
There's a actually some info on this on Wikipedia,

"MySQL" is officially pronounced as "My Ess Queue Ell" /maɪ ɛs
kjuː ɛl/, not "My sequel" /maɪ siːkwəl/. However, the company
does not take issue with the pronunciation "My sequel" or other
local variations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySQL#Pronunciation


PostgreSQL's unusual-looking name makes some readers pause when
trying to pronounce it, especially those who pronounce SQL as
"sequel". PostgreSQL's developers pronounce it /poːst ɡɹɛs kjuː
ɛl/.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL
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Cybe R. Wizard
2007-04-01 18:46:20 UTC
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Post by Dusty Wilson
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
I say, "squirrel"
Post by Dusty Wilson
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell (according to an old FAQ on MySQL's site)
This is what I take home to clean/cook after hunting. My squirrel
Post by Dusty Wilson
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
This is what I do with MySQL to in order to clean it.
Post greysquirrel.

HTH and HAND!

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Cybe R. Wizard
2007-04-01 18:33:21 UTC
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Post by Dusty Wilson
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
I say, "squirrel"
Post by Dusty Wilson
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell (according to an old FAQ on MySQL's site)
This is what I take home to clean/cook after hunting. My squirrel
Post by Dusty Wilson
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell or ?
This is what I do with MySQL to in order to clean it.
Post greysquirrel.

HTH and HAND!

Cybe R. Wizard
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learned. Bruce Ediger
Dusty Wilson
2007-04-02 19:58:10 UTC
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I'm re-gathering what everyone has said so far. Here's my list so
far. But there are still a couple missing (chmod/chown) and others
I'm not 100% sure of (lilo, passwd, chroot).

named = name-dee
pxe = pixie
Debian = deb-ee-un
bind = bynd (like find or whined, not like bindy or windy)
lilo = lie-lo or ??
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell
FAQ = eff-ay-cue or fak
etc = et-see
usr = user
lib = libb (short i, like LIBerty, not like LIBrary)
proc = prock
init = inn-it
daemon = dee-mon or day-mon (http://foldoc.org/?daemon says /dee'mon/
was the original way)
kde = kay-dee-ee
gnu = guh-new
gnome = guh-nome
vi = vee-aye
passwd = password or ??
irc = i-r-c
chroot = shroot (like SHould), cheroot (like CHErry)
chmod = ??
chown = ??

Thanks guys,
Dusty
Joe Hart
2007-04-02 20:25:21 UTC
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Post by Dusty Wilson
I'm re-gathering what everyone has said so far. Here's my list so
far. But there are still a couple missing (chmod/chown) and others
I'm not 100% sure of (lilo, passwd, chroot).
I'll give it a shot. You haven't heard from me yet (except some
off-topic comment)
Post by Dusty Wilson
named = name-dee
name-dee
Post by Dusty Wilson
pxe = pixie
pixie
Post by Dusty Wilson
Debian = deb-ee-un
deb-ee-an
Post by Dusty Wilson
bind = bynd (like find or whined, not like bindy or windy)
bynd
Post by Dusty Wilson
lilo = lie-lo or ??
lie-lo
Post by Dusty Wilson
SQL = ess-cue-ell or sequel
ess-cue-ell
Post by Dusty Wilson
MySQL = My-ess-cue-ell
PostgreSQL = post-gress-cue-ell
post-gress-cue-el
Post by Dusty Wilson
FAQ = eff-ay-cue or fak
fak
Post by Dusty Wilson
etc = et-see
et-see
Post by Dusty Wilson
usr = user
user
Post by Dusty Wilson
lib = libb (short i, like LIBerty, not like LIBrary)
libb
Post by Dusty Wilson
proc = prock
prock
Post by Dusty Wilson
init = inn-it
inn-it
Post by Dusty Wilson
daemon = dee-mon or day-mon (http://foldoc.org/?daemon says /dee'mon/
day-mon
Post by Dusty Wilson
was the original way)
kde = kay-dee-ee
kay-dee-ee
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnu = guh-new
guh-new
Post by Dusty Wilson
gnome = guh-nome
nome
Post by Dusty Wilson
vi = vee-aye
vee-eye
Post by Dusty Wilson
passwd = password or ??
password
Post by Dusty Wilson
irc = i-r-c
eye-arse-ee
Post by Dusty Wilson
chroot = shroot (like SHould), cheroot (like CHErry)
chroot (like CHip)
Post by Dusty Wilson
chmod = ??
see-h-mod
Post by Dusty Wilson
chown = ??
chown (like CHip)
joe

PS, I can't think of how to spell the sound for the letter "h" so I left
it alone.
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Andrew M.A. Cater
2007-04-02 20:35:39 UTC
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Post by Dusty Wilson
I'm re-gathering what everyone has said so far. Here's my list so
far. But there are still a couple missing (chmod/chown) and others
I'm not 100% sure of (lilo, passwd, chroot).
chroot = tchroot (Ch as in Chekhov + root - there's an unavoidable very
short middle e or a sound as you say it because you can't easily go from
one syllable to the other)

chmod = tchermod (Cher-nobyl + mod-ern)

chown = tchoan (Ch (as above) + own)
Is what I'd put in transliteration from British English.
Post by Dusty Wilson
Thanks guys,
Dusty
Andy
Max Hyre
2007-04-02 15:43:49 UTC
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Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
chroot = tchroot (Ch as in Chekhov + root - there's an unavoidable very
short middle e or a sound as you say it because you can't easily go from
one syllable to the other)
It's called schwa, and represented by a lowercase `e' rotated 180
degrees about the axis perpendicular to the paper (screen :-),
presumably the way a typesetter could flip an `e' without casting a new
glyph.

Don't you feel better now, knowing this? :-)
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