Discussion:
what's your favourite FLOSS?
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-05 13:56:48 UTC
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Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.

audio editor:
audio player:
cd-ripper:
DBMS:
desktop environment OR window manager:
development:
disc burner:
e-mail client:
file manager:
finance:
ftp client:
games:
image creator/editor:
image viewer:
instant messenger:
mathematics:
misc utilities:
p2p:
package manager:
pdf/ps-reader:
spreadsheet:
terminal emulator:
text editor:
video player:
web browser:
word-processor:
non-free:

SPECIAL CATEGORIES
anything unreleased and highly anticipated:
anything dying/dead:
anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC):
any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you insist):
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green
2009-11-05 15:25:56 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
randomplay
awesome
wodim
mutt
gnucash
vegastrike
simutrans
(science category?)
celestia
stellarium
gimp
hugin
gpicview
printconf - automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS
inkscape - vector-based drawing program (for me, more than replaces Adobe Illustrator)
dtrx - intelligently extract multiple archive types
fdupes - identifies duplicate files within given directories
iat - Converts many CD-ROM image formats to iso9660
iftop - displays bandwidth usage information
ncdu - ncurses disk usage viewer
partimage - backup partitions into a compressed image file
reportbug - although I don't like to have to use it
aptitude
epdfview
oocalc
uzbl
oowriter
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SPECIAL CATEGORIES
freecad
rolo
This time:
awesome
uzbl
Debian, of course!
Anyone who is working to make Squeeze better than Lenny.
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-05 16:05:43 UTC
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 (science category?)
celestia
stellarium
I'll put that in results if there's enough entrants, else will go in
misc utilities.
printconf - automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS
inkscape - vector-based drawing program (for me, more than replaces Adobe Illustrator)
dtrx - intelligently extract multiple archive types
sounds good
fdupes - identifies duplicate files within given directories
am running it right now, thanks
iat - Converts many CD-ROM image formats to iso9660
iftop - displays bandwidth usage information
interestingly I was recently looking for a CLI monitor and stopped
after encoutering the crashy bmon
ncdu - ncurses disk usage viewer
partimage - backup partitions into a compressed image file
reportbug - although I don't like to have to use it
am glad u put up a description since I didn't know many of these
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Nuno Magalhães
2009-11-05 16:23:11 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by green
fdupes - identifies duplicate files within given directories
am running it right now, thanks
Also cruft and fslint
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-05 16:38:53 UTC
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Post by Nuno Magalhães
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by green
fdupes - identifies duplicate files within given directories
am running it right now, thanks
Also cruft and fslint
am running cruft (mine is an old install and there's got to be a whole
lot of junk), and fslint (to help find empty dirs). thanks
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2009-11-05 17:12:35 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites
audio player: AmaroK
cd-ripper: KAudioCreator
DBMS: PostgreSQL
desktop environment OR window manager: KDE 4
development: Git
disc burner: K3B
e-mail client: KMail
misc utilities: LVM; zsh
p2p: KTorrent
package manager: Aptitude
pdf/ps-reader: oKular
terminal emulator: Konsole
text editor: vim
video player: Kaffeine

anything dying/dead: KDE 3
anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): Android
any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian): OHSA
any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you
insist):
Martin Kraft
Daniel Burrows
Lobos Lunak
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-05 17:21:04 UTC
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 19:12, Boyd Stephen Smith
Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian): OHSA
what's this?
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2009-11-05 17:38:00 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 19:12, Boyd Stephen Smith
Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian): OHSA
what's this?
<http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/>
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Teemu Likonen
2009-11-05 18:53:50 UTC
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Amarok
abcde
KDE
Emacs
k3b
Emacs (Gnus)
Konqueror
lftp
Emacs (Calc)
Git (version control tool)
aptitude
Kpdf
GNU Screen inside XTerm
Emacs
MPlayer
Iceweasel
OpenOffice.org Writer
Debian
The Linux kernel development community and companies
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Teemu Likonen
2009-11-07 14:26:31 UTC
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Post by Teemu Likonen
OpenOffice.org Writer
Hmm, I wonder why did I write that. In practice I use Emacs + LaTeX. I
use OOo Writer only for viewing documents made by others.
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John L Fjellstad
2009-11-05 20:51:08 UTC
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amarok
abcde
KDE4
emacs
k3b
Kontact
kmymoney
gwenview
kopete
grep
ktorrent
okular
yakuake
emacs
kmplayer
konqueror/firefox
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Andrew Sackville-West
2009-11-05 21:33:26 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
audacity
mpd/mpc
postgres
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
desktop environment OR window manager: xmonad
emacs w/ flymake or eclipse for java when I have to do that.
mutt
bash (heh)
gnucash
sftp
Wesnoth
gimp
display (imagemajick)
irssi w/ irssi-plugin-xmpp
octave
too many to count
aptitude
xpdf
oocalc
rxvt-unicode
emacs
mplayer
iceweasel
emacs for latex, oowriter for occasional stuff
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
the uncelebrated random user that sends in the one-line
patch to fix their personally most annoying bug.
green
2009-11-05 22:48:01 UTC
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Post by Andrew Sackville-West
the uncelebrated random user that sends in the one-line
patch to fix their personally most annoying bug.
Indeed! :)

+1
t***@googlemail.com
2009-11-05 22:36:25 UTC
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Here we go.

audio editor: audacity, xcfa
audio player: amarok
cd-ripper: k3b, xcfa
DBMS: sqlite
desktop environment OR window manager: kde4 (despite, well, you know...)
development:
disc burner: k3b
e-mail client: icedove/thunderbird
file manager: dolphin
finance:
ftp client: filezilla
games: wesnoth
games (kid): smc, supertuxkart
image creator/editor: digikam, gimp, hugin
image viewer: digikam
instant messenger:
mathematics:
misc utilities: sudo, sed, htop, ssh, rsync
p2p: ktorrent
package manager: aptitude
pdf/ps-reader: okular
spreadsheet: OooCalc
terminal emulator: yakuake
text editor: kate, vim
video player: vlc, smplayer
web browser: iceweasel/firefox
word-processor: Ooowriter
non-free: skype, VirtualBox (Sun version)

video editor: avidemux, openmovieeditor, blender (not strictly for
video, but works great)
education: gcompris, childsplay, skolelinux
connection manager: wicd (or goes in "misc")
backup: backintime, clonezilla (based on Debian) (they can go in "misc" too)



SPECIAL CATEGORIES
anything unreleased and highly anticipated: lumiera http://lumiera.org/,
Thunderbird3

anything dying/dead:

anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): Linux kernel, Debian

any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
FSF, Linux Foundation, Skolelinux, Canonical, all those who push forward
FOSS and Linux

any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you
insist): Christian Marillat, Theodore T'so, every single Debian
developer, Francis Muguet who died recently
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Muguet (not a developer, but he
sure did a lot for FOSS).

anything Linux related deserving booos: mono, [silver|moon]light, flash
Charlie
2009-11-05 22:34:59 UTC
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:56:48 +0200 Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
Totem
FVWM
K3B
Claws-mail
Midnight Commander
The Gimp
GQView
LyX
Aptitude - Apt - Synaptics
Xpdf - Okular
OpenOffice.org
Xterm
Gedit
Totem
Iceweasel
LyX
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
Debian - Gnu
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Celejar
2009-11-06 01:15:54 UTC
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:56:48 +0200
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <***@gmail.com> wrote:

...
audio player: [g]mplayer
desktop environment OR window manager: xfce[4]
development: perl
e-mail client: sylpheed
file manager: mc
ftp client: ncftp
games: wesnoth
image viewer: mirage
instant messenger: xchat, gajim
misc utilities: recoll, rsnapshot, rdiff-backup
package manager: aptitude
pdf/ps-reader: evince
terminal emulator: xfce-terminal
text editor: geany, bluefish, mousepad, vi
video player: [g]mplayer
web browser: iceweasel, links2
word-processor: oowriter
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Pedro Insua
2009-11-06 09:32:42 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
udacity
mocp
abcde
sqlite
Windomaker
git
from command line... (gui.. perhaps k3b)
mutt
thunar
a python script development by myself..
lftp
nethack
gimp, inkscape
gqview, imgseek
i use irssi to IRC
emacs calc
screen
ktorrent
apt-get.. 'apt-put' xD
xpdf
xterm
emacs
mplayer
arora
mmm, openoffice
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
bitchX
emacs
Debian
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Rakotomandimby Mihamina
2009-11-06 09:59:17 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
I am not going to list, but give my global criteria:
When I use Gnome (My wife does) I try to install only
gnomelib or GTK based softwares.

When I use KDE, I try to use Qt and kdelibs based software.

I really enjoy to be homogeneous. :-)

And fortunately, there is an emacs-gtk package :-)
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Dirk Neumann
2009-11-06 11:18:47 UTC
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:56:48 +0200
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
desktop environment OR window manager: wmaker
development: svn, gtkmm
disc burner: growisofs
e-mail client: sylpheed
file manager: mc
ftp client: mc
games: simutrans, konquest
image creator/editor: gimp, inkscape
image viewer: pornview
misc utilities: latex, gs, wmtop, xsane
package manager: apt
pdf/ps-reader: xpdf/gv
spreadsheet: kspread
terminal emulator: xfce4-terminal
text editor: emacs, mcedit, nedit
video player: mplayer
web browser: iceweasel
word-processor: $(text editor)
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
anything dying/dead: xemacs

Dirk.
Andrei Popescu
2009-11-06 13:06:14 UTC
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[I think I replied in private by mistake]
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
mpd/mpc, mocp
jack (the ripper)
Xfce
k3b, wodim
mutt, claws-mail

rss reader:
akregator
Tux Commander (tuxcmd), Gnome Commander (gnome-commander), mc, bash
gpicview
pidgin

IRC client:
irssi
ssh, git, screen, maildrop, nvidia-settings

network manager:
wicd (or move to misc utilities)
rtorrent
aptitude
evince, epdfview
gnumeric
rxvt-unicode, yeahconsole (with rxvt-unicode as backend)
vim
mplayer, smplayer
vimperator (extension available only for iceweasel), links2
LaTeX, Abiword
skype, nvidia driver
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
nouveau (nvidia driver)
Regards,
Andrei
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2009-11-07 04:42:44 UTC
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Post by Andrei Popescu
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
nouveau (nvidia driver)
++

A
Dotan Cohen
2009-11-07 11:48:19 UTC
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audio editor: audicity
audio player: amarok
desktop environment OR window manager: KDE 4
development: Kate
disc burner: K3B
e-mail client: Thunderbird
file manager: Dolphin
ftp client: Konqueror
image creator/editor: gimp
image viewer: digikam
instant messenger: skype (not floss? so make something this good in floss!)
mathematics: maxima
misc utilities: Zim (desktop wiki), Anki (flashcards)
p2p: ktorrent
package manager: apt-get
pdf/ps-reader: okular
spreadsheet:calc
terminal emulator:konsole
text editor:kate
video player:vlc
web browser:firefox
word-processor:writer
non-free: Solidworks CAD
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
anything unreleased and highly anticipated: Anki, still at version 0.9.x
anything dying/dead: KDE 3.5.10
anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): Zim desktop wiki and Anki. These two programs literally change the way I handle information.
any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian): KDE. KDE 4 is not yet up to the level of refinement of KDE 3, but it is getting there quickly.
any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you insist): Aaron Siego of KDE, Jaap of Zim, Damien of Anki. Although Anne Wilson is not a dev, she holds the KDE community together and deserves honours for that.
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-09 11:05:52 UTC
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instant messenger: skype (not floss? so make something this good in floss!)
Surprising to find that there's no FLOSS competitor. I thought Skype
was big on popularity, not features. What's missing in what you've
tried? What comes close?
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Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2009-11-09 17:04:36 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
instant messenger: skype (not floss? so make something this good in floss!)
Surprising to find that there's no FLOSS competitor. I thought Skype
was big on popularity, not features. What's missing in what you've
tried? What comes close?
There are a number of FLOSS software phone applications. None can make calls
to Skype users that are using the Skype proprietary application over the Skype
proprietary protocol. The information needed to implement such features is
not available in a form that can be used to develop FLOSS.

For those that want a FLOSS "Skype", the choice is clear: Boycott Skype
(hurting their popularity; which makes FLOSS software phones more attractive)
until they open their protocols (which will allow FLOSS software phones to
participate in the "Skype network".)

Those skilled in the art of reverse engineering could also use that skill
against the software and protocol, but many do not have this option.
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Andrei Popescu
2009-11-09 20:20:50 UTC
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Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Surprising to find that there's no FLOSS competitor. I thought Skype
was big on popularity, not features. What's missing in what you've
tried? What comes close?
There are a number of FLOSS software phone applications.
Could you please point me to one that:

- works on Windows, OS X and, of course, GNU/Linux
- supports webcam
- can traverse NATs

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Celejar
2009-11-10 19:21:28 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:20:50 +0200
Post by Andrei Popescu
Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Surprising to find that there's no FLOSS competitor. I thought Skype
was big on popularity, not features. What's missing in what you've
tried? What comes close?
There are a number of FLOSS software phone applications.
- works on Windows, OS X and, of course, GNU/Linux
- supports webcam
- can traverse NATs
I've had much trouble with all Linux VoIP clients that I've tried. My
test for usability is fairly simple: successfully make a call to the
Ekiga echo test number (sip:***@ekiga.net), and hear the recorded audio
and get the echoed A/V. Currently, Ekiga (the client) works, but I
could not get any other client to do so. [I'm behind NAT.] Many don't
connect, giving more or less (generally less) cryptic explanations as
to why, and one (Linphone, IIRC) claims that it has connected, but
doesn't show any A/V. Googling shows that many clients have trouble
with the Ekiga.net server's implementation of some protocol, but I've
also tried registering with iptel.org; while some clients do better
with it, at least allowing me to successfully register, which they
wouldn't do with Ekiga.net, I still have yet to successfully make a
call with anything but Ekiga.

It addition to SIP, I also tried the A/V functionality of XMPP. The
only client that I could find that claims to currently support A/V over
XMPP is Pidgin; I tried it, but it reproducibly segfaults whenever I
send or receive a call:

http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/10697

VoIP on linux seems to currently be pretty badly broken / unimplemented.

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Rob Owens
2009-11-10 03:05:23 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
instant messenger: skype (not floss? so make something this good in floss!)
Surprising to find that there's no FLOSS competitor. I thought Skype
was big on popularity, not features. What's missing in what you've
tried? What comes close?
I recently started using Ekiga and I like it. I used it primarily to
call land lines when traveling. For that I needed to sign up with a provider -- I used
Ekiga's recommended one: diamondcard.us. Their rates are lower than
Skype's (for calling within the USA, anyway).

-Rob
Dotan Cohen
2009-11-11 19:36:52 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Surprising to find that there's no FLOSS competitor. I thought Skype
was big on popularity, not features. What's missing in what you've
tried? What comes close?
Interoperability with other Skype users. Nothing else provides that.
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Klistvud
2009-11-07 15:58:03 UTC
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rhythmbox
Gnome
K3B
Kmail, Balsa
Krusader, Gnome-Commander
wget
UrbanTerror & the Wine and Zsnes emulators
fdupes
mldonkey (mlnet)
Synaptics
gnome-terminal
gjots
VLC
ooo Writer
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
a new version of mldonkey (mlnet)
Gnome Partition Editor, qemu/kvm
GNU, FSF, Debian
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless
Richard M. Stallman
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Chris
2009-11-07 16:42:33 UTC
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Greetings,

audio editor: Audicity
audio player: Rythmbox, Amarok (up to 1.4 - 2.x just blows)
cd-ripper: SoundJuicer
DBMS:
desktop environment OR window manager: Gnome
development:
disc burner: Brasero
e-mail client: Claws-Mail
file manager: Nautilus
finance:
ftp client: Gftp, Filezilla
games:
image creator/editor: Gimp
image viewer: Picasa
instant messenger: Pidgin
mathematics:
misc utilities: Rdiff-Backup
p2p: Transmission
package manager: apt-get, synaptic
pdf/ps-reader: Adobe
spreadsheet: OOO calc
terminal emulator: Terminator
text editor: Pico/Nano
video player: VLC
web browser: Firefox (Not IceWeasel)
word-processor: OOO Writer
non-free:

SPECIAL CATEGORIES
anything unreleased and highly anticipated:
anything dying/dead:
anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): Clonezilla

any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
Debian, GNU, FSF

any FLOSS developer deserving great honours:
All the Debian developers and package maintainers.
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-09 11:44:31 UTC
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Post by Chris
web browser: Firefox (Not IceWeasel)
am curious: what's wrong with Iceweasel?
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Brian Nelson
2009-11-10 16:00:11 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Chris
web browser: Firefox (Not IceWeasel)
am curious: what's wrong with Iceweasel?
It fails to work in some cases where Firefox does work, due to it
reporting a different User-Agent string.
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2009-11-10 16:26:32 UTC
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Post by Brian Nelson
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Chris
web browser: Firefox (Not IceWeasel)
am curious: what's wrong with Iceweasel?
It fails to work in some cases where Firefox does work, due to it
reporting a different User-Agent string.
I fail to see how that is the fault of Iceweasel.
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Sjoerd Hardeman
2009-11-10 16:29:04 UTC
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Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
Post by Brian Nelson
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Chris
web browser: Firefox (Not IceWeasel)
am curious: what's wrong with Iceweasel?
It fails to work in some cases where Firefox does work, due to it
reporting a different User-Agent string.
I fail to see how that is the fault of Iceweasel.
It isn't. Blame the sites. But for as long as the sites refuse to comply
with recommendations, you can use the User Agent plugin
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59
to have Iceweasel report a different User-Agent string.
A long list of possible U-A strings can be found here:
http://qainsight.net/content/binary/AgentStrings20070517.xml

Sjoerd
Wolodja Wentland
2009-11-10 16:46:50 UTC
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comply with recommendations, you can use the User Agent plugin
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59
to have Iceweasel report a different User-Agent string.
Which is a solution for some people, but a a lot of users don't
care about User Agents or might not even know about Iceweasel plugins.

I would welcome a new default UA that enables non tech savvy user to use
Iceweasel on Debian in the same way they used Firefox on Windows. Let's
not alienate these people by making it harder for them than it is
already.

kind regards

Wolodja
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2009-11-10 17:31:09 UTC
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Post by Wolodja Wentland
comply with recommendations, you can use the User Agent plugin
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59
to have Iceweasel report a different User-Agent string.
Which is a solution for some people, but a a lot of users don't
care about User Agents or might not even know about Iceweasel plugins.
I would welcome a new default UA that enables non tech savvy user to use
Iceweasel on Debian in the same way they used Firefox on Windows. Let's
not alienate these people by making it harder for them than it is
already.
Debian has two choices: 1. Use the same user-agent as Firefox. 2. Use a
different user-agent from Firefox.

The first is a non-option. Iceweasel does not follow Mozilla's trademark
usage guidelines. If it uses the Firefox trademark and Debian distributes it,
Debian could be sued into non-existence.

The second results is "false negatives" from websites that use the user-agent
to determine your browser's features. (This has been recommended against for
as long as there have been user-agent strings.) Iceweasel has all the
features the website requires, but the website still degrades your experience
or refuses to operate at all.

There are a number of ways individual users can affect their user-agent
string, if they so desire. On the rare occasions I use IceWeasel, (I prefer
Konqueror) I proudly identify as Iceweasel and not Firefox.
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John Hasler
2009-11-10 17:49:09 UTC
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Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
Debian has two choices: 1. Use the same user-agent as Firefox. 2. Use a
different user-agent from Firefox.
3. Use a Debian user-agent string that includes the string "Firefox".
See, for example, the user-agent strings used by every other browser on
the planet.
Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
The first is a non-option. Iceweasel does not follow Mozilla's trademark
usage guidelines. If it uses the Firefox trademark and Debian distributes it,
Debian could be sued into non-existence.
Nonsense. There is no conceivable way that embedding the string
"Firefox" in a user-agent string could be construed as trademark
infringement (and if there was most browsers would be infringing one or
more trademarks).
--
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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
2009-11-10 18:09:10 UTC
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Post by John Hasler
Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
The first is a non-option. Iceweasel does not follow Mozilla's trademark
usage guidelines. If it uses the Firefox trademark and Debian distributes it,
Debian could be sued into non-existence.
Nonsense. There is no conceivable way that embedding the string
"Firefox" in a user-agent string could be construed as trademark
infringement (and if there was most browsers would be infringing one or
more trademarks).
If this were a trademark, how about these files:

$ dpkg -L iceweasel | grep firef
/usr/share/iceweasel/defaults/preferences/firefox.js
/usr/share/iceweasel/defaults/preferences/firefox-l10n.js
/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
/usr/bin/firefox
/usr/share/man/man1/firefox.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mozilla-firefox.1.gz
/usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png
/usr/share/pixmaps/mozilla-firefox.png
/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin

Also, iceweasel stores its settings in ~/.mozilla/firefox. And I guess
there are many other places where "firefox" appears in the Iceweasel
bundle, and this is not a copyright infringement, just like setting the
User-Agent to the same that Firefox does it not a copyright infringement.
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John Hasler
2009-11-10 18:59:18 UTC
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Post by Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Also, iceweasel stores its settings in ~/.mozilla/firefox. And I guess
there are many other places where "firefox" appears in the Iceweasel
bundle, and this is not a copyright infringement, just like setting
the User-Agent to the same that Firefox does it not a copyright
infringement.
You confound copyright and trademark. They are very different, at least
in the USA. Words such as "Firefox" are not subject to copyright.
--
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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
2009-11-10 19:34:58 UTC
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Post by John Hasler
Post by Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Also, iceweasel stores its settings in ~/.mozilla/firefox. And I guess
there are many other places where "firefox" appears in the Iceweasel
bundle, and this is not a copyright infringement, just like setting
the User-Agent to the same that Firefox does it not a copyright
infringement.
You confound copyright and trademark. They are very different, at least
in the USA. Words such as "Firefox" are not subject to copyright.
s/copyright/trademark/g in my message then.

I believe it remains valid even when mentioning trademark infringements.
--
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don't mind...
-- Gypsy Rose Lee

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
***@kalinowski.com.br
Brian Nelson
2009-11-10 18:14:04 UTC
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Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
Post by Wolodja Wentland
comply with recommendations, you can use the User Agent plugin
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59
to have Iceweasel report a different User-Agent string.
Which is a solution for some people, but a a lot of users don't
care about User Agents or might not even know about Iceweasel plugins.
I would welcome a new default UA that enables non tech savvy user to use
Iceweasel on Debian in the same way they used Firefox on Windows. Let's
not alienate these people by making it harder for them than it is
already.
Debian has two choices: 1. Use the same user-agent as Firefox. 2. Use a
different user-agent from Firefox.
The first is a non-option. Iceweasel does not follow Mozilla's trademark
usage guidelines. If it uses the Firefox trademark and Debian distributes it,
Debian could be sued into non-existence.
I don't see how the UA string would be related to the Firefox trademark.
Besides, there's a loooong history of browsers declaring themselves to
be other competing browsers via the UA string, with no lawsuits ever
resulting.
Wolodja Wentland
2009-11-10 16:38:38 UTC
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Post by Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
Post by Brian Nelson
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Chris
web browser: Firefox (Not IceWeasel)
am curious: what's wrong with Iceweasel?
It fails to work in some cases where Firefox does work, due to it
reporting a different User-Agent string.
I fail to see how that is the fault of Iceweasel.
That naturally is not Iceweasels fault. But it still means that Firefox
has a significant advantage over Iceweasel because it actually works on
a plethora of - admittedly crappy - websites.

You might want want to have a look at the discussion on -devel
about that.

kind regards

Wolodja
Memnon Anon
2009-11-07 22:21:19 UTC
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Oh well, why not ;)
Post by t***@googlemail.com
audio editor: audacity
audio player: mplayer
desktop environment OR window manager: stumpwm
disc burner: wodim
e-mail client: emacs gnus
file manager: emacs dired
finance: emacs orgmode (will try ledger someday)
ftp client: wget
image viewer: gqview
instant messenger: bitlbee + emacs erc
p2p: rtorrent
package manager: aptitude
pdf/ps-reader: xpdf
terminal emulator: rxvt
text editor: emacs
video player: mplayer
web browser: conkeror
word-processor: emacs + latex, oowriter
Debian of course ;)
Frank Lin PIAT
2009-11-08 11:46:05 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
I often have more than one entry, because I don't use when I am home, at
work or on the go.
none
ncmpc/gmpc / rythmbox
which ever is the default in Gnome.
mysql (and sqlite)
gnome
vim
wodim
evolution + squirrelmail
mc + nautilus
mc (midnight commander) / wget
gimp & inkscape
gthumb & eog
irssi / xchat
aptitude, dpkg
evince
openoffice
gnome-terminal ; screen
vim
totem
iceweasel
you mean the legacy tool invented in the 80s?
openoffice
aptitude search "?Section(non-free) ~i" -F "%p"

firmware-iwlwifi firmware-linux-nonfree intel-microcode make-doc tar-doc
ttf-xfree86-nonfree unrar w3-recs
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
- Squeeze, what else? (especially Debian GNU/kFreeBSD)
- Some docbook viewers (CLI and GUI)
- info pages
gpg
Debian, Freedesktop, opensource.org...
- Maintainers of components that no one notices (libraries,
"simple" and so call "standard" utilities...)
- Anonymous contributors


Regards,

Franklin
green
2009-11-09 01:15:35 UTC
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Post by Frank Lin PIAT
- Squeeze, what else? (especially Debian GNU/kFreeBSD)
Of course, how did I forget that?

+1
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-09 12:10:03 UTC
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Post by Frank Lin PIAT
- Anonymous contributors
can I liken this to one-time patch senders?
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Frank Lin PIAT
2009-11-09 18:30:02 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Frank Lin PIAT
- Anonymous contributors
can I liken this to one-time patch senders?
I was thinking of people who "silently" contribute to open-source
softwares, and whose names don't appear in changelog, copyright or
AUTHOR files... despite their valuable contribution.
(think people who belong to teams of developers, etc)

Franklin
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-09 11:13:39 UTC
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non-free:flash :(
Are you referring to the browser-plugin?
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-13 14:29:03 UTC
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desktop OR window manager:
* GNOME

development:
* Geany, Python

misc utilities:
* grep, Sudo, debmirror, Lsof, less, Meld, Uptimed, wc, top,
Tracker, Ex Falso, wajig, GNOME system monitor applet

spreadsheet:
* gnumeric

terminal emulator:
* GNOME Terminal

text editor:
* Geany

non-free:
* GMail
* Blogger (@blogspot.com)

any FLOSS deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC):
* GNU toolchain (GCC, GLibC, Binutils), Linux, coreutils, Xorg,
Apache, Mozilla (Firefox, etc.), GTK+ & GLib, Qt, Latex, Perl, Python

anything unreleased and highly anticipated:
* HURD, APT2

anything dying/dead:
* Coyotos + BitC + BitCC

any organisation/community deserving great honours:
* GNU, Debian, GNOME

any FLOSS developer deserving great honours:
* quite a few, but there's only one God, and that is Richard Stallman


P.S. is this poll already dead?!
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green
2009-11-13 20:19:00 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
* HURD, APT2
How could I forget?!
+1 Hurd
Dotan Cohen
2009-11-13 20:43:41 UTC
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Post by green
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
* HURD, APT2
How could I forget?!
+1 Hurd
Duke Nuke 'em Forever! I hear that the Hurd port is in the works.
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http://gibberish.co.il
Anthony Campbell
2009-11-17 09:16:23 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
desktop environment OR window manager: Icewm

e-mail client: Mutt

file manager: mc

ftp client: sitecopy

games: crafty

image creator/editor: imagemagic, gimp

image viewer: feh, gqview

misc utilities: aumix, shorewall, get_iplayer, xsane, tesseract-ocr,

magicfilter

package manager: wajig

pdf/ps-reader: xpdf

spreadsheet: gnumeric

terminal emulator: xterm

text editor: vim

video player: mplayer, vlc

web browser: iceweasel, dillo

word-processor: abiword, open-office
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): vim

any organisation/community deserving great honours (EG. GNU, Debian):
Debian

any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you insist): Bram Moolenaar
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
--
floss-and-misc.blogspot.com
--
--
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Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux
http://www.acampbell.org.uk - sample my ebooks at
http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/acampbell
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-17 09:41:38 UTC
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hi, thanks for ur votes; unfortunately I had already posted the
results since the weren't votes for about 4 days
Post by Anthony Campbell
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites If something
doesn't fit in any of the categories, put it under misc utilities.
Please don't add what you haven't really used. You can include more
than one entrant per category.
desktop environment OR window manager: Icewm
e-mail client: Mutt
file manager: mc
ftp client: sitecopy
games: crafty
image creator/editor: imagemagic, gimp
image viewer: feh, gqview
misc utilities: aumix, shorewall, get_iplayer, xsane, tesseract-ocr,
magicfilter
package manager: wajig
pdf/ps-reader: xpdf
spreadsheet: gnumeric
terminal emulator: xterm
text editor: vim
video player: mplayer, vlc
web browser: iceweasel, dillo
word-processor: abiword, open-office
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC): vim
 Debian
any FLOSS developer deserving great honours (max 5 at most, unless you insist): Bram Moolenaar
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
--
floss-and-misc.blogspot.com
--
--
Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux
http://www.acampbell.org.uk - sample my ebooks at
http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/acampbell
--
--
my place on the web:
floss-and-misc.blogspot.com
Allen
2009-11-17 10:17:23 UTC
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desktop environment OR window manager: KDE, Gnome, LXDE, Window Maker,
Enlightenment, FVWM, FVWM2, FVWM Crystal (Yes, I do in fact use every one of
those, all the time. I like having options on how my desktop will behave at
any given time, and sometimes I want one that looks different like FVWM or
WindowMaker.)

e-mail client:
GUI Based; Kmail, Novell, Sylpheed, Balsa when it used to work with comcast
was awesome.

Text Based; Mutt

file manager: Konqueror, hatever Gnome uses now....The one from Enlightenment.

ftp client: GFTP hands down. I use it all the time

games: dungeoncrawl!!!! And basically every FPS from id (DooM, DooM2, Final
DooM, DooM3, Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3, Quake 4) and The UT games.

image creator/editor: Gimp

image viewer: kuickshow

misc utilities: XMMS, zsh, Perl, Python, rxvt, Bunzip2, 7zip...

package manager: Yast2, APT, PKGTOOL, Swaret I guess

pdf/ps-reader: No clue

terminal emulator: Eterm, Wterm, Xterm, Aterm, Konsole

text editor: Emacs and Vi

video player: Xine

web browser: Opera, Elinks, Links, Lynx, Netscape when it was around....
Seamonkey

word-processor: ABIword

SPECIAL CATEGORIES

anything deserving great honours (EG. Linux, GCC):

LMMS!

Sure would be nice if Opera and Seamonkey could be installed from apt-get ;)
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
2009-11-17 10:51:08 UTC
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Post by Allen
desktop environment OR window manager: KDE, Gnome, LXDE, Window Maker,
Enlightenment, FVWM, FVWM2, FVWM Crystal (Yes, I do in fact use every one of
those, all the time. I like having options on how my desktop will behave at
any given time, and sometimes I want one that looks different like FVWM or
WindowMaker.)
am sure am not the only one curious how you juggle all this diversity
Post by Allen
GUI Based; Kmail, Novell, Sylpheed, Balsa when it used to work with comcast
was awesome.
Text Based; Mutt
file manager: Konqueror, hatever Gnome uses now....The one from Enlightenment.
ftp client: GFTP hands down. I use it all the time
games: dungeoncrawl!!!!  And basically every FPS from id (DooM, DooM2, Final
DooM, DooM3, Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3, Quake 4) and The UT games.
so u've played all these!
Post by Allen
image creator/editor: Gimp
image viewer: kuickshow
misc utilities: XMMS, zsh, Perl, Python, rxvt, Bunzip2, 7zip...
package manager: Yast2, APT, PKGTOOL, Swaret I guess
nice one that you mention Yast2. You still using SuSE (or derivative)?
Post by Allen
pdf/ps-reader: No clue
EG Evince, xpdf...
Post by Allen
 terminal emulator: Eterm, Wterm, Xterm, Aterm, Konsole
text editor: Emacs and Vi
video player: Xine
web browser: Opera, Elinks, Links, Lynx, Netscape when it was around....
Seamonkey
Opera and Netscape should have gone to non-free
Post by Allen
 word-processor: ABIword
SPECIAL CATEGORIES
LMMS!
Sure would be nice if Opera and Seamonkey could be installed from apt-get ;)
Iceape is Debian's unbranded version, though it currently is available
only from Etch and Sid:
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceape
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Allen
2009-11-17 11:15:25 UTC
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Allen
desktop environment OR window manager: KDE, Gnome, LXDE, Window Maker,
Enlightenment, FVWM, FVWM2, FVWM Crystal (Yes, I do in fact use every one
of those, all the time. I like having options on how my desktop will
behave at any given time, and sometimes I want one that looks different
like FVWM or WindowMaker.)
am sure am not the only one curious how you juggle all this diversity
Easy, today I felt like KDE, so I am using KDE right now to type this. If I
feel like another tomorrow, I'll log back in with that one. On my FreeBSD box
I'm using KDE too, and on my slackware box I have window Maker loaded.
Depends which one I want to use. I like how I don't have to use one single
Windowing system like in early to later version of Windows before someone
made an X thing for Windows.
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Allen
games: dungeoncrawl!!!!  And basically every FPS from id (DooM, DooM2,
Final DooM, DooM3, Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3, Quake 4) and The UT games.
so u've played all these!
Yea. I got Unreal Tournament Game of the Year edition when it was still kinda
new and loved it. I was at Radio Shack and they had a computer set up with
it, and while my Mom and Aunt were shopping, I played ti and loved it, and
asked the guy what it was and if they sold it, but they didn't so I went to
Best Buy and picked it up, and played it a lot. Eventually, got the rest of
the series as they came out. A few years ago I got "DooM Collector's Edition"
on CD as a gift for Christmas, and it has Ultimate DooM, DooM2, And Final
DooM on it, and I played for like 17 hours straight, and loved it. Even
though the game was already old since this was only a few years ago, I didn't
care, I loved it. And then a few years ago for my Birthday I got Quake (Paid
for download) and I loved it too. I also ended up getting Quake 2 and then
Quake3, and then like 4 years ago I got DooM3 and Quake 4. They're the only
games I play on a computer other than Dungeoncrawl. I recently started
playing it this year and I like it.
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Allen
package manager: Yast2, APT, PKGTOOL, Swaret I guess
nice one that you mention Yast2. You still using SuSE (or derivative)?
Yea I really like SUSE. It's the only big corporate friendly one I actually
like. I still think that SUSE Linux 8.1 and 8.2 Professional were two of the
best OSs ever released. I loved them and basically learned what I know under
them. The first time I got online finally with Linux since it was a problem
for me for a long time, and the first time I got sound to work in Linux was
all in SUSE. It's a great distro that has help for someone new, but it isn't
a distro that holds you back either once you've learned your craft. And YAST2
is probably the best system tool ever done.
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Allen
pdf/ps-reader: No clue
EG Evince, xpdf...
I knew what that was, I just didn't use many enough to list one.
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Allen
web browser: Opera, Elinks, Links, Lynx, Netscape when it was around....
Seamonkey
Opera and Netscape should have gone to non-free
Opera isn't listed on the Debian.org package list, and I think I found a .deb
package for it, but I don't even remember where. But it wasn't on the install
CDs, and wasn't on their servers. I love Opera though, it's fast and nice.
Can't stand Firefox.
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Allen
Sure would be nice if Opera and Seamonkey could be installed from apt-get ;)
Iceape is Debian's unbranded version, though it currently is available
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceape
I know, Seamonkey isn't Firefox though. Seamonkey is it's own thing. Firefox
is a slow VERY laggy bloated browser. Seamonkey is what they probably think
of when they write the brochures for their firefox crap since Seamonkey isn't
slow and actually looks nice and works well. Seamonkey works way better for
me, but making it work on anything isn't exactly a walk in the park since the
only distro I have that actually includes it is Slackware.
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Avi Greenbury
2009-11-17 11:31:33 UTC
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And YAST2 is probably the best system tool ever done.
Hmm, Yast made me want to hurt small things the last (and first) time I
used it. I'm increasingly wondering that this might have been a
fault at my end, since a lot of people seem to like it now. Has it
improved drastically over the past six or so years?
Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Allen
web browser: Opera, Elinks, Links, Lynx, Netscape when it was
around.... Seamonkey
Opera and Netscape should have gone to non-free
Opera isn't listed on the Debian.org package list, and I think I
found a .deb package for it, but I don't even remember where. But it
wasn't on the install CDs, and wasn't on their servers. I love Opera
though, it's fast and nice. Can't stand Firefox.
Opera do have a repository of .deb packages for *buntu, and I'm pretty
sure they do a Debian one. You can certainly download .debs of it from
their site.
Every few months I decide Opera's amazing and switch back to it, then
remember how badly I get along with the search-from-the-address-bar
thing.
I know, Seamonkey isn't Firefox though. Seamonkey is it's own thing.
Firefox is a slow VERY laggy bloated browser. Seamonkey is what they
probably think of when they write the brochures for their firefox
crap since Seamonkey isn't slow and actually looks nice and works
well. Seamonkey works way better for me, but making it work on
anything isn't exactly a walk in the park since the only distro I
have that actually includes it is Slackware.
There was an announcement to the effect of a new Seamonkey release
a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, from what I gather (through very
limited research) it looks to be Thunderbird + Firefox rather than a
progression of the goodness that is Seamonkey.


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http://aviswebsite.co.uk ;)
http://aviswebsite.co.uk/asking-questions
Allen
2009-11-17 11:59:52 UTC
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Post by Avi Greenbury
And YAST2 is probably the best system tool ever done.
Hmm, Yast made me want to hurt small things the last (and first) time I
used it. I'm increasingly wondering that this might have been a
fault at my end, since a lot of people seem to like it now. Has it
improved drastically over the past six or so years?
Well, the first time I saw Yast2 was in SUSE Linux 8.1 Professional. It was
good but it did have a few things that didn't seem to be what it should have
been, and since I was buddies with Marcus Meissner, I told him. He's the head
of SUSE Security, and when 8.2 Professional came out, I bought it right away,
backed up everything, and did a fresh install. See the only machine I had at
the time was the one that is now my server, a little Pentium 3 733 MHz
processor with 384 MBs RAM, and I didn't have anything else. But it worked
REALLY well on it. All the things in Yast2 seemed fixed in 8.2 Professional,
and I really liked it. I had uptime of 205 days on that release, and this is
consodering that I did EVERYTHING on that machine. Imagine that old hardware
being used daily as a desktop, having SSH, FTP, and Web services running for
friends, and like 4 email clients loaded all at once, and firefox and
Netscape all being loaded with like literally 12 tabs in each open, and then
on top of that XMMS and Gaim and, well, let's just say I had KDE with 5
Virtual Desktops, and all of them were LOADED with stuff because I did a lot
with that machine. All the while a movie was playing, and no lag, and 205
days of uptime.

I still remember when a Kernel update had broken my Nvidia driver and Marcus
went back to the office to fix it and released a new one for me.

Yast2 was REALLY nice. Even now, the new versions are nicely made, and the
thing has that ability to show you what it's doing. Like Mandriva for
example, if you set up a Firewall, it doesn't show you what commands it ran
to do it, but Yast2 does. you can see exactly what IPTables it typed out for
you. And of course Novell GPLd it.
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Post by Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
Post by Allen
web browser: Opera, Elinks, Links, Lynx, Netscape when it was
around.... Seamonkey
Opera and Netscape should have gone to non-free
Opera isn't listed on the Debian.org package list, and I think I
found a .deb package for it, but I don't even remember where. But it
wasn't on the install CDs, and wasn't on their servers. I love Opera
though, it's fast and nice. Can't stand Firefox.
Opera do have a repository of .deb packages for *buntu, and I'm pretty
sure they do a Debian one. You can certainly download .debs of it from
their site.
Every few months I decide Opera's amazing and switch back to it, then
remember how badly I get along with the search-from-the-address-bar
thing.
I know, Seamonkey isn't Firefox though. Seamonkey is it's own thing.
Firefox is a slow VERY laggy bloated browser. Seamonkey is what they
probably think of when they write the brochures for their firefox
crap since Seamonkey isn't slow and actually looks nice and works
well. Seamonkey works way better for me, but making it work on
anything isn't exactly a walk in the park since the only distro I
have that actually includes it is Slackware.
There was an announcement to the effect of a new Seamonkey release
a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, from what I gather (through very
limited research) it looks to be Thunderbird + Firefox rather than a
progression of the goodness that is Seamonkey.
Yea, I haven't actually used the new version yet, I'm still using the one that
shipped with Slackware 13.0, and I still love it. Firefox used to be an OK
browser until they started goin on and on about how good it was and everyone
started using it. Then they wanted all the features they could cram into it
on there, and bloated it like a PMSing feminazi, and that's basically a
description of what Firefox is now.... They really should concentrate more on
Seamonkey. ;)
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Post by Avi Greenbury
And YAST2 is probably the best system tool ever done.
Hmm, Yast made me want to hurt small things the last (and first) time I
used it. I'm increasingly wondering that this might have been a
fault at my end, since a lot of people seem to like it now. Has it
improved drastically over the past six or so years?
Well, the first time I saw Yast2 was in SUSE Linux 8.1 Professional. It was
good but it did have a few things that didn't seem to be what it should have
been, and since I was buddies with Marcus Meissner, I told him. He's the head
of SUSE Security, and when 8.2 Professional came out, I bought it right away,
backed up everything, and did a fresh install. See the only machine I had at
the time was the one that is now my server, a little Pentium 3 733 MHz
processor with 384 MBs RAM, and I didn't have anything else. But it worked
REALLY well on it. All the things in Yast2 seemed fixed in 8.2 Professional,
and I really liked it. I had uptime of 205 days on that release, and this is
consodering that I did EVERYTHING on that machine. Imagine that old hardware
being used daily as a desktop, having SSH, FTP, and Web services running for
friends, and like 4 email clients loaded all at once, and firefox and
Netscape all being loaded with like literally 12 tabs in each open, and then
on top of that XMMS and Gaim and, well, let's just say I had KDE with 5
Virtual Desktops, and all of them were LOADED with stuff because I did a lot
with that machine. All the while a movie was playing, and no lag, and 205
days of uptime.
I still remember when a Kernel update had broken my Nvidia driver and Marcus
went back to the office to fix it and released a new one for me.
Yast2 was REALLY nice. Even now, the new versions are nicely made, and the
thing has that ability to show you what it's doing. Like Mandriva for
example, if you set up a Firewall, it doesn't show you what commands it ran
to do it, but Yast2 does. you can see exactly what IPTables it typed out for
you. And of course Novell GPLd it.
That's some serious promotion, among the best I've ever seen. That's
the definition of rock-solid!
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